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This Will REVOLUTIONIZE 3D Printer Filament Storage!

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In this video, I test a unique drying solution for 3d printer filament storage. Brought to you by Snapmaker. Grab the SnapMaker U1 here: http://jle.vi/snapmakerU1 (Pre-order discount ends April 10!)

⚠️BIG UPDATE! ⚠️ 🔟%Since the video went into editing, I swapped ONE of the units to molecular sieves (another type of desiccant) + replaced the silica gel one more time... within HOURS, the humidity dropped to 10% and has stayed there for 6+ hours. THIS IS HUGE!!! 🎊Stay tuned, especially on @thenextnextlayer, for more updates.

— @thenextlayer

Guys… I think I might’ve cracked a new way to keep filament dry 👀

In this video, I test a completely different DIY filament drying method that I’ve NEVER seen used in hobbyist dry boxes before, one that’s cheap, energy-efficient, easy to build, and (so far) insanely effective.

dude, the whole rack you built is passing moisture not just through gaps but through plastic itself! to watertight plastic you need to coat it with like aluminium

— @volodymyrdemydiuk8321

I'll show you how I installed it on my DIY 3D Printer Filament Storage Box, how it compares to filament dryers or silica gel, and how YOU can experiment with it, too.

If you’re sick of filament drying and struggling with how to keep filament dry and general 3d filament storage, this might be one of the most important upgrades you can make.

good video, good effort ! aside of the not perfectly sealed enclosure, your test-results have one big problem, that maybe failed your measurements. you work wit RELATIVE humidity. the xx% your displays show is ALWAYS relative to 20° C ... now if the effective temperature is higher or lower than 20°, the shown % isn't correct. your collected data can fool you. download an app that converts temperature and relative humidity into ABSOLUTE humidity. you will get how much grams of water are in a cubic meter of air. these numbers are ABSOLUTE and are way better to compare with each other. you invested so much work and effort, you deserve true results!

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I inadvertently found a hack. I have a 500 mm to a side Voron 2.4 and I am using the cereal box based single spool dry boxes. Because space is at a premium, I have a bunch of them sitting on top of the printer. I'm seeing relative humidities as low as 10% in one of the boxes. I am inadvertently getting some convection action by mainly printing ABS and having my boxes sitting on top because the driest box is currently at 83° f

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Would love to see some up-cycling wine fridge videos

— @benriser4018

00:00 Introduction

00:44 Background: Desiccant Dehumidification

This video could have been half the length. Your verbose style apparently designed to increase watchtime is insufferable.

— @kwinzman

02:05 Advantages

03:40 Disadvantages

A big endorsement on the molecular sieve desiccant.
I work for a window manufacturer and we use molecular sieve desiccant in our sealed units. We buy it by the barrel and i definitely did not take a small container of it home to test. I was finding that a container of silica gel would take forever to lower the moisture in a dry box to sub 10% levels and often would only get it to 20%. However a small bag of molecular sieve just thrown in the container got the humidity down to sub 10% in less than half an hour. The stuff is very very effective.

— @alihaggis78

05:07 Sealing Off the HDRY Cabinet

06:33 Building the Desiccant Loop Dry Boxes

Got a " stupid question " can i put my filament on my balcony when it's 45 deg c outside to dry it ?

— @nobocks

10:36 Assembly & Testing

12:36 Testing & Sealing

Lithium chloride will get it to 10% or less, but it turns to a liquid so I has to be contained in a tray

— @TinyGiantLifeStyle

14:24 Upgrading (?) The Dry Box Design

16:03 “The Nuclear Option”

Next step is to have controllable vents and heater inside the device so it can go through a desiccant drying cycle periodically. Close off the vents to the box and open external vent to release moisture outside.

— @android01978

17:10 Full-Scale Test

18:08 Mid-Test Crisis

You do such a fantastic approach to all kinds of situations with your videos, but videos, such as this one are directed toward the hard-core professional printer, which I am not. I’m an 83 year-old who just wants to do some hobbies work and maybe sell at a couple of local craft shows. I hope you will perhaps make a playlist for those of us who are not these serious hard-core print, farmers but directed to the very small time. Hobby printer like me because I find such huge value in what you present. I have enjoyed dozens of your videos, but now I’m more confused than ever about a beginner printer. What do you consider the very best easiest printer for a senior hobby printer? Thank you so much for all your hard work; it is truly, truly appreciated.

— @Brineytoes

20:49 Conclusion & Next Steps

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Trying to dry filament in a sauna created by spent desiccant, is a terrible idea. Do not dry your desiccant along with your filament. It's hard to coax moisture out of filament. Trying to do it in an environment with WAAAYYYYY more soaked-in moisture right next to it, is crazy

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Lol. Imagine being upset about $14 spray paint when you own a thermal imaging camera. I mean I'm sure as a YouTuber you're earning a lot of your tools and filaments for free, but still, I mean a thermal camera is hundreds or thousands of dollars. You probably have $60-$80 in filament just in the drying cabinet alone. $28 (for 2 cans) is honestly just a drop in the bucket for a project like this. I mean even a bottle of desiccant is around $14 if you have the indicating kind.

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Is there a sense of the total amount I absorbendkosirure in the box when full of say moderately dry filaments like in gram? Volume of sir at x %RH Adn y kg of FILAMENT AT Z% RHtherefore a calculable theoretical amount of descant (eg 1 kg / 20g water?) requires to absorb all that moisture?

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Aliexpress 90c dryng hoven 15 spool capacity, 120 bucks, vacuum sealer for food 15 bucks, 1000 box vacuum bags 17bucks, silca baggies come with spools.
Total expense152 bucks, time wasted 0 hrs, energy requirement on long therm low, shelf life of dehidrated spools from 3 weeks (pa6) to 6 months (PC-ABS).
Wanna go fancy, professional sealer for metalized vacuum bags 80bucks, 1000 box vacuum metalized bags 90 bucks, shelf life from 3 months to years.
I come from open source but really cant stand people tryn to reinvent the weel, maybe it's just me tho.

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Have you considered that the cabinet is sealed, so you are circulating the the air with no place for some of the damp air to escape. Most newer filament dryers have some kind of vent or else they actually accumulate humidity on surfaces.

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I know you're committed to that cabinet but i would think building an enclosure thats better sealed, doesnt absorb moisture itself and designed to remove the silica cartridge externally or at least without exposing the whole compartment to fresh air would be better for maxing the dryness.

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this is pretty cool! have you looked maybe into using something like Calcium chloride?

as for standard desiccant you will for sure need more volume of it for it. but i do like the idea of a no heat method.

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and what about an hybrid approach using an heater to help and dry the silca itself adding a fan to extract humidity to the outside? this involve some valves and complexity but i think it's pretty doable anyway.

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Think, using a salt like cacl2 is more effective. You can use the same setup, but need a bowl to catch the solution.

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I'm using Molecular Sieve and the beads are 1.5 mm so they fall out of the current design. This is super cool though, love the fan, but need the holes to be smaller.

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Hmm, I'll do this using a very simple box. I'll add your blower silica gel contrapment. I think it'll also be good for drying, not just keeping them dry.

— @Schjoe

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Maybe try installing something like a pewpew safe dehumidfier. The inside of the box just needs to be warmer than the outside of the box to create a positive pressure situation inside the box. This should keep most of the external moisture from leaking in (in theory). Worth a shot at least.

@jasonjohnson785
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RLF is highly dependent on temperature. If you have 20% saturation at 25 degrees Celsius, just raise the Temp 5C and you are at basically +-15%RLF
You might also just be measuring temperature differences in these small percentages .

@BTCisTime
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@thenextlayer your voice audio changes a bit at 1:32 . it sounds like the voice goese to the right ear more

@Dronieboi
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IKEA shelf would work much better. If you can print something doesn’t mean you should….

@stralog
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Caulk ?

@RussellMckay-s3b
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Fascinating, but can’t Ijust dry filament in my stainless food dehydratorthen store it in a sealed filament box? ?

@BarbaraGilbert-n9j
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9:49 shots fired 😂

also, how do you reach 50% humidity in the studio? don't you basically have to wear a stillsuit whenever you walk outside where you live? (if you don't get the reference, i'm unsubscribing!)

16:55 $14 for a can?? is the paint made from fiji water??

17:15 what is the brand for that drill bit?? that is the best ad ever.

@UNgineering
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You could get humidor cabinets at pretty reasonable prices.
Might be a good start to mod for filament since they're already built to maintain humity for sensitive items.

@-ColorMehJewish-
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Im absolutely new to the 3D world. Im so new. That I bought everything I need to print. But I still haven't printed my first project.
But why not use a heating pad to heat filament yet not melt it in the box. Put a slow fan on the box with silica. As the input out put area. Heating pads have adjustable temperatures. Just a thought

@andygibson289
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I designed one also. It uses a standard 80mm, 100mm, 120mm fan of your choice. Plugged into a Tapo power plug that pulls data from a tapo humidity sensor. It works good. Not as efficient as the fans your guy uses but way easier to obtain for me. Going to swith to molecular sieve and try that in it.

@weasel101
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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eVRZeQYxirI I'm using a wine fridge to keep them dry.

@knemeth1071
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Every time you open the door look at how many cubic inches of fresh, moist air you're allowing in. Duh. And you're exposing how many rolls all at the same time? Duh, again.

@carlbeaver7112
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This guy got told to dry his filament one too many times.

@a70r
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Great video! I’ve never tackled a print project this big, but I’m getting motivated! Thx!

@Ken-from-wa
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Very nice idea! Putting this in an IKEA box, which has very good sealing with some activated alumina might be a very good DIY solution.

@ValentinMihov
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For me an inline filament dryer seems like a much more efficient solution. Ideally built into the printer, but an external one would be fine as well. I have no issues with PLA, so I would only use for TPU and engineering filaments witt nylon etc.

@runesblog
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You would probably want to have access to replace the dissicant cartridges without opening the cabinet.
They should be installed from the outside, and possible to quickly swap with a fresh one, without replacing the entire air inside with the most outside air.

@michbushi
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I think there is a blind spot not mentioned. If you store each spool independently, you only expose one spool at the time if you need to change filament. With cabinet like this you vent out all the dry air any time you open the door.

@W0Ndr3y
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How about using a pet auto feeder to remove dessincnt after it is too humid? Then dry out those used silica gel. After dry out, move those silica gel back. You know, those infinity loop metal ball toys. 🤔

@taiwanese_9999
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A much cheaper way to start off is by getting a second hand refrigerator used in bars. The ones that have a full glass door front. You can either buy a cheap one or probably get one that isn't working right for free online. I know, not as exciting as building the case but you don't have to waste as many spools of filament. Make a few racks with alu rods and you can use the bottom for the drying stuff. Most already operate at 24vdc. And you can choose between half height or full height. Both are cheap and you can get both for free. They already have lights. They are already airtight.

@iamarawn
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Do you have a video on your prusa XL experience not sure if it is the 1 year old video?

@Ender_Wiggin
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I have a very accurate scale and write on the side of every roll before drying and weigh again after drying before storage. Later when I go to use the roll I check the weight and make sure it has not reabsorbed moisture. On average I remove around 3-5grams of moisture from full rolls. When doing your cabinet tests, weigh a few rolls and see if they are getting lighter or heavier.

@crazyburris8896
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this video has inspired me to design the weed grow cabinet i couldn't find on the market XD and alternatives are so expensive and still bulky.

@MetaSamsaraRL
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Great work.. - not an engineer here, so i could be shooting wide? but if you had a 3 or 4 inch tube/pipe of descant, external to the spool storage you could bolw moist air from the bottom through a huge volume of desiccant and return it dry at the top to cycle through..
with a window in the tube it may be possible to monitor saturation levels? and when needed exchange wouldnt require opening up and contaminating the spools with as much moist air.

@larkbox8427